Topic: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

for some reason, when the Generator selects "enter long at Down fractal" the resultant 15min strategy when 'exported' to MT4 cannot be attached to a 15min chart.  all similar "enter long at Up fractal" attach just fine.

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

Please attach your strategy or expert for a test.

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

which one? one [down] that doesn't attach or one [up] that does?  and how does one go about attaching such a file?

4 (edited by jgp_altus 2016-12-06 01:38:28)

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

This one [Up] does attach to MT4 m15 chart

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One [down} that doesn't attach to MT4 chart
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Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

The Fractal indicator works fine and the problem doesn't relate to it.

Your strategies have preset indicator period. The first strategy uses M15 and the second one uses M30. (Is it what you want?)

Most probably you don't have 250 M30 bars for your second strategy. Do you have any warning message in the Expert or Journal tab in MetaTrader?

Try to load more M30 bars by pressing and holding the Home key. If you have problems with the MetaTrader tester, set starting date of the test.

Your strategies work well in my MetaTrader.

http://s12.postimg.org/jrnppzcn1/screenshot_2016_12_06_at_08_01_25.png

6 (edited by jgp_altus 2016-12-06 08:03:05)

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

NO, both 1201_EURUSD15 strategies on my FSB Pro show M15 for indicator period and both have 30M fractals as Opening positions.  They use the same data. they are different generated strategies with all other settings the same except the Fractal opening position is 'linked' not locked.  I can go from one strategy to the other by repeatedly hitting the back arrow or the forward curvy arrow.
I always do download from the chart MT4charts by holding down the Shift/Control/Home keys on the charts.  There must be something wrong with my FSB Pro if the period you see is different. I just checked again and they are both M15 period.
Another problem.  I have been unable to get any of my generated strategies to show any profit on the demo MT4.  None of them including UP fractals. What to do.  uninstall FSB Pro and redownload and install anew???

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

This is a screenshot of your previous post. You can see clearly that you have M30 for both indicators.

http://s12.postimg.org/g3bsvq6rh/screenshot_2016_12_06_at_11_46_57.png

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

of course, that's what I said - M15 for the period, 30m [up] fractal for one, 30M [down] fractal for the other.  all my strategies  have either up or down 30m fractal with 15M period.  BUT only the UP fractal  Strategies can attach to a MT4 Oanda 15M chart.  That's my problem.

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

I want to thank everyone this Christmas season for taking me & my problems with FSB Pro seriously.  Either there is something seriously wrong with my FSB Pro as installed or FSB Pro is of no use in generating a profitable strategy for MT4 Oanda.

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

jgp_altus wrote:

I want to thank everyone this Christmas season for taking me & my problems with FSB Pro seriously.  Either there is something seriously wrong with my FSB Pro as installed or FSB Pro is of no use in generating a profitable strategy for MT4 Oanda.

I am pretty sure that it is possible to generate profitable strategies for Oanda.

Sometimes it takes a lot of persistence to get them happening. I know that from personal experience.

My 'secret' goal is to push EA Studio until I can net 3000 pips per day....

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

Is this strategy profitable on your mt4..
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Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

I would have no idea what that would be.

perhaps you can upload the file

Just glancing through that, I think you have a complex strategy.. and that may be part of the obstacle to profitability.

I see two time frames and martingale.

You know, for myself, I use as few indicators as possible, and mostly I use 4 hour and daily.

When developing a strategy initially, I use fixed stop and fixed TakeProfit (locked), reason is that I can set the risk/reward  , and....... less variables to take up time.

Some research I saw showed that a trailing stop cuts into profits. so I do not use them.

A couple reasons for simple strategies.

Two or three indicators is fast to optimize. Higher time frames have better data points AND  fewer bars to process..... so it is a lottt faster.

I am not too good with the complex strategies because it takes too much work to locate the difficulties and those are the ones that succumb to curve fitting.

I have found that having a portfolio of simple strategies serves me well, when one starts to fail, I re optimize. Because I use the higher time frames, I do not have to optimize often.

That being said, if you can upload the strategy I will tinker with it and see what I can do.

My 'secret' goal is to push EA Studio until I can net 3000 pips per day....

13 (edited by jgp_altus 2016-12-08 06:31:23)

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

clearly, there is something wrong with my FSB Pro.  I have never used a martingale.  none of my strategies have ever used two time "periods".  All of them at present have M15 as a "Period".  How can I send you what I see on My FSB Pro? What do I do?

On My FSB Pro I see 30M Up Fractal entry & only 2 logic indicators and 1 exit Trailing Stop Limit

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

I loaded it, of course I have much different data....... definitely the thing is profitable.

I do not have an Oanda account, so I can not test it there.....

What do you see to be the problem with Oanda... are there any log notes......  what are the symptoms.

I can assure you that there is little wrong with FSBPro.

My 'secret' goal is to push EA Studio until I can net 3000 pips per day....

15 (edited by jgp_altus 2016-12-08 07:46:29)

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

At the bottom of FSB Pro there is a  "Warnings occurred, click here for more details". but when I click there I can't see 'details'.  And why do you see things like Martingale and two different time periods and a complicated in the original form I sent 1201_EURUSD15M?  Apparently you now see what I see.  So what is happening???  How do I export to you a MT4 Oanda 15M Chart with 1201_EURUSD15M affixed?  By the way, I am unable to affix a similar Enter Down Fractal chart.  No Down fractal strategies can be attached.

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

what happened?  why do the two files I sent you [strategy and chart] no longer appear?

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

file was probably deleted for your privacy, I am not really sure

Anyways, I have the thing loaded on FSBPro and it is trading, well , no trades opened yet but it is working fine.

I had no warnings for the strategy.

Looks ok to me.

My 'secret' goal is to push EA Studio until I can net 3000 pips per day....

18 (edited by jgp_altus 2016-12-08 17:03:20)

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

Thanks, but It doesn't trade profitably for me on my Oanda GMT-5 Practice Demo account.  And my fractal [down] strategies still cannot be attached to a 15M Chart. I'll try it on FXCM-USDDdemo02 Account.    Later...

19 (edited by jgp_altus 2016-12-09 06:48:12)

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

So far no 1201_Eurusd15M trades on either Oanda MT4 or FXCM-USDDemo02 MT4 10:46PM MountTime

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

Have you seen places where trades should have been entered....... but were missed?

Perhaps have a look in the journal and note where the trades have occurred...... and then look at the indicator chart in FSBPro and see precisely where the entries occur on the chart.....

I do not know the frequency of trades for this strategy, I wonder if it trades often.  I use 4 digit data so my results will look a lot different than what you have. I show very few trades.

My 'secret' goal is to push EA Studio until I can net 3000 pips per day....

21 (edited by jgp_altus 2016-12-09 08:32:44)

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

On the Mt4 charts, why are there two columns?  what is relation between first and second columns.  Righty now, for example, there are two "yes" in the second column of the Gator oscillator and two "no" in the first column.  On both Oanda & FXCM.  Juswt now there are also two "yes" in the first column.  both charts, So 4 Yes".  still 4 "no" onCCI Buy Zone

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

Left Colum Are The Preview Bar Closing And The Right Colum Are Current Bar

23 (edited by jgp_altus 2016-12-09 13:09:36)

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

thanks, but what is 'the preview bar closing' and how do these bar closing relate to my strategy executing a trade, profitable or otherwise?

Oh did you mean "previous bar closing"?

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

For each of your conditions, it is set up to show whether an entry is available.

If all of the conditions are met. then a trade is executed, according to your logic in the strategy.

So. you can look in the journal and see when the trades were executed in the past and then check the indicator chart to see exactly what the chart looked like before and during the entry and exits.

And that will let you know what to watch for when you are trading live on MT4.

If you take some time to experiment with this on the indicator chart you will see how valuable it is when evaluating a strategy for strong points and weak points.

The more time you spend analyzing your strategies on the indicator chart, the better you will be able to build your strategies.

My 'secret' goal is to push EA Studio until I can net 3000 pips per day....

25 (edited by jgp_altus 2016-12-09 20:15:56)

Re: Expert with Enter Long at Down Fractal doesn't work

Thanks very much for that advice.  But it is not obvious to me how understanding why and how a 'successful' trade strategy "works" on FSB Pro will result in that EA trading 'successfully' on Oanda or FXCM practice accounts, let alone on 'Live' accounts.  ....I note that Popov in some "videos' turns Off the restriction on 'using default numeric values'.  Doesn't that result in EA conditions that never are obtained in the 'real world'?  just asking.  Just trying to understand why NONE of my 'Real Winner' EAs generated on FSB Pro are successful even on Practice MT4 accounts.  NONE of them in 2016!!!
So far my 1201 "Real winner" has not traded at all on either Oanda or FXCM!!!