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Topic: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

Is I am the only 1 who feel the Optimizer in FSB pro behave strangely??

1. I alr have simple strategy with Max E. DD of $56, and >200 trades.. But when I optimize using FSB pro using the same Criteria, It Didn't produce any result.. Impossible isn't it?? Because Optimizer in the NORMAL FSB work good.. how can the optimizer in the Premium FSB pro work like this??

2. Comparing the Optimizer in the FSB and FSB pro with same criteria always produce 2 different results. . (Sometimes FSB pro didn't produce any result whatsoever. .)

Conclusion: I think FSB pro Optimizer have some serious bug, that reduce it's performance. . or is it just my FSB pro that have bad performance?? Anybody comment??

Re: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

The easiest test you can do is to switch off the using of Acceptance Criteria. If the Optimizer finds a better result, reset the strategy, switch on the usage of Acceptance Criteria and inspect the individual conditions.

Re: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

I sometimes run both programs when I am looking for ideas and can get similar results by adjusting settings. I have a laptop which is suited to run two FSB or one FSB Pro.

Sometimes I want to try an idea and want more than a couple approaches running at the same time, often I get similar results.

However, it may take one a lot longer than the other to get matching results.

My 'secret' goal is to push EA Studio until I can net 3000 pips per day....

Re: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

It depends how many parameters are optimized simultaneously. Up to 2 means essentially brute force optimization, therefore results should be the same in this case.

Re: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

I think the optimizer works well. Pandapika (btw I'm also a panda lover), you probably need to turn off the acceptance criteria in order to obtain what you want. Be careful not to over-optimize though.

Re: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

nquental wrote:

I think the optimizer works well. Pandapika (btw I'm also a panda lover), you probably need to turn off the acceptance criteria in order to obtain what you want. Be careful not to over-optimize though.

I agree.

I find that I have to experiment a lot and check the settings carefully.

My 'secret' goal is to push EA Studio until I can net 3000 pips per day....

Re: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

uuhhhmmmm... How do u guys Explain if this is My condition:

1. I use FSB pro optimizer and FSB optimizer simultaneously. .

2. at each program I simply use 2 Acceptance criteria such as Min trade = 200, and Max E. DD ($) = 70

3. Then the 2 program simply produce different results, If I uncheck the acceptance criteria, then I Cannot find the strategy that meet my criteria using FSB pro right??

Sometimes FSB pro window just become wipe out (nothing in the window whatsoever, then the message "FSB pro has stopped working" came).. T.T

Re: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

Click on Popov name. send the file to him so that he can examine carefully. Without the expert, not much can be examined.......

or else post in here

Not much sense discussing sometrhing that Popov can not see for himself.

My 'secret' goal is to push EA Studio until I can net 3000 pips per day....

Re: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

Send the file to him?? you mean send my FSB pro program to him??

Re: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

pandapika wrote:

Send the file to him?? you mean send my FSB pro program to him??

In order to inspect the case where a strategy cannot be optimized in FSB Pro I need your settings files and the strategy file.

Zip you "User Files \ Settings" folder and send it to me together with the strategy at info(at)forexsb.com.

Re: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

Popov, do you think it would be possible to search for the best R2? I know we can set it as a criterium somehow, but it would be nice to have it in optimizer.

Re: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

Nuno, what do you mean with "R2"?

Re: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

ok now I will bring some fact (some snapshot of my FSB and FSB pro)

FSB strategy
https://scontent-b-sin.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1383095_4742864385089_4778354372059185313_n.jpg?oh=2539a4dfed57c7ff1538505d705ef565&oe=54B97470

FSB Optimizer Parameter
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FSB Optimizer Criteria
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10576972_4742864545093_8263787481971974792_n.jpg?oh=c60dc92bd45c4270abe7a1450d708b74&oe=54E4A0EF&__gda__=1420909571_12e4ef037a7b2272e0610161f5da5444

FSB Results
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/9437_4742868785199_1637883656349413105_n.jpg?oh=d2d91939fda3a25554a913e940c05663&oe=54AFF53B&__gda__=1421307049_a2c678ed1629d62405f07810bb77573f

FSB pro strategy
https://scontent-a-sin.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10734248_4742864785099_4303791982888240663_n.jpg?oh=b3a2e7d97e3a98fd06dde9963ff0f087&oe=54F5BAC0

FSB pro paramater
https://scontent-a-sin.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10599377_4742865025105_2967388597427859914_n.jpg?oh=0cad35de9d6b22adc5218b24ab391f61&oe=54AA9424

FSB pro criteria
https://scontent-a-sin.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10672366_4742864945103_6536290565749153046_n.jpg?oh=8e1c95cfac63e4346f1b21c26a8242d6&oe=54B26BCF

FSB pro results
https://scontent-b-sin.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/l/t1.0-9/10710742_4742868665196_1060282704140989004_n.jpg?oh=c4309770869c7cbf05e5c9b09181ea86&oe=54F6B16D

as u can see.. This is always the case with me. . I don't know how, but my FSB pro optimizer always produce different results than my FSB (mostly not produce anything). . this is very frustating. . Sometimes the FSB pro screen also gone blank (all white screen, nothing on it). .

as u all can see I use exactly the same criteria, parameter, and logic. . but the results is different. .

Re: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

I don't know how, but my FSB pro optimizer always produce different results than my FSB

Both programs has different optimization algorithms. FSB optimizer uses more "brute force" and some time finds higher stats. FSB Pro optimizer is more elegant and much more faster.

Acceptance Criteria parameter "Filter none-liner balance pattern" in FSB Pro is much more advanced.
The free version checks only separate points (1 in your case), the Pro version checks the whole line.
The way you set "Filter none-liner balance pattern" is near to useless. It would check if only 1 point (the middle of the chart) differs with 20% of the straight line from the start to the end of the balance chart.
FSB Pro will not except a chart even if only one point of the line goes beyond 20%. What I see from the chart, your initial balance line is far from 20% and goes to the negative area. You have probably switched of the "Trade until Margin Call".

The Optimizer is not designed to make a loosing strategy profitable or to manage a strategy that do not complies with the Acceptance Criteria.

Have you tried with switched off the Acceptance Criteria?

Re: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

Sometimes the FSB pro screen also gone blank (all white screen, nothing on it). .

How much RAM you have on your computer? Is you Windows 32 or 64 bits?

FSB Pro keeps the loaded data files in the computer memory for faster reuse. You can release unused files from the History Center.

I think that 32 bit Windows manages maximum 3.3-3.5GB  Ram.
On full load FSB Pro goes to 3-4 GB on my machine. ( 8 GB ram, 64bit Win 8.1 )

Re: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

At some point, Popov mentioned a difference as to how the two programs regard Out Of Sample.

At that time I stopped using FSB as results may be different.

My 'secret' goal is to push EA Studio until I can net 3000 pips per day....

Re: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

Here is the Optimizer in action:

Re: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

Yes, I tried to switch off the acceptance criteria and it works!

But, if I switched it off, I can't produce strategy with very good equity curve, as in the case with FSB "filter non-linear" balance optimizer..

So, the BOTTOM LINE, how's the right way to use the filter non-linear balance pattern in FSB pro??

thanks for the answer

Re: FSB Pro Optimizer Problem

It depends on the initial account and the trading size. On a small account high trade amount, even a smaller price move make a big deflection. You have to adjust the criteria according to your settings.
You'll probably receive better stats with higher account and small trade size.

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