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			<title><![CDATA[Re: automated renewal of FSB Pro]]></title>
			<link>https://forexsb.com/forum/post/42628/#p42628</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jgp_altus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Does that mean you attach your EAs to 240M MT4 Charts, which would mean all your Entry &amp; Exit Logic Conditions are 240M or higher, or can you attach your EAs to 15M MT4 Charts wherin your Exit logic conditions can be tested With [for example] Bar Closing every 15M?&nbsp; Are your Closing Logic Conditions tested on MT4 only after 4H???I presumed it would be better to test them as soon as possible, like every 1M. Most of my EAs Entry Logic conditions are 30M or higher, but my Exit Logic Condition are 15M and I would like them to be even lower,&nbsp; 5M or even 1M, but that would mean having to attach My EAs to 5M or 1M MT4 charts.</p></blockquote></div><p>Hello to all</p><p>Maybe that&#039;s the problem,<br />It does not make sense to impose a TF for the opening or a TF for the closure, if there are no confirming statistics.<br />for opening it is possible to use a high TF (4H, 1D) to know the trend, a minor one to know the daily trend and an indicator with even minor trend to enter the correct direction of the trend.</p><p>But Tf 15, 30, 1 H, when used together are not indicative of trends but are at risk of false accelerations and false breaks.</p><p>FSB can be improved and it probably will be,<br />but his task is to look for a set of operations that give positive sum over time, it can not tell whether a strategy is rational.</p><p>I&#039;m looking at your strategy EurUsd 122,<br />uses around 4 indicators</p><p>AO indicates the acceleration of the 30 &#039;, then the risk of false signals<br />GO indicates the trend of 3 Moving averages,</p><p>AO 30 &#039;is always late,<br />GO should confirm that an AO signal, probably indicates a signal that is ending.<br />Perhaps it would be better to reverse them and work them, perhaps adding a filter in the direction of the most important trends<br />Using Envelopes for closing does not make sense, use 2 Envelopes is absurd.</p><p>Your strategy with the default data FSB shows me:<br />SQN = 0.78 ???????<br />Average HPR = 0.05 ??????<br />Stagnation of 590 days, up from 15 Tf &#039;??? with 0.03 lot ???<br />PF = 1.19 (account closure)<br />etc. etc</p><p>This is a strategy to trash, instead you can better meet the indicators and TF.<br />You do not have to see FSB (like other similar software) as a shortcut, but as a tool on which to work (much) to have a different solution !!!<br />Good trading</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Freesby)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2017 08:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The idea of checking the price as often as possible is right, in a way...... , however, trying to cut things so close is going to cause you grief.<br />because there are far more bars on a 5 minute chart than on a 4 hour chart...... the fluctuations are much greater, the data points are not as good on the 5 minute.....<br />Your oscillators will be changing value much more frequently and you can get trapped by periods of chop.<br />However, some people are determined to trade the fast charts......, myself, I prefer fewer trades with more accuracy.<br />My theory is that super simple works best.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Blaiserboy)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 03:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>What did I write that gave the impression I didn&#039;t?</p></blockquote></div><p>Post 18, for example.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>What I&#039;ve been saying is that it seems to me that, for closure, it is a good idea to have the bar interval as short as possible.&nbsp; It doesn&#039;t hurt to have your closing logic conditions checked against the data as often as possible. Does it???</p></blockquote></div><p>I don&#039;t understand you. It looks like you are trying to overcome a wall that isn&#039;t there. Am I right if I say that you don&#039;t really grasp the way FSB works?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2017 23:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>There is every reason for many, maybe most, closing Logic positions to say that during bar execution, there is no way to know what the high will turn out to be, or the Lo, or the average or the close.&nbsp; So the EA HAS TO use the values from the previous bar.&nbsp; I have understood that for 5-6 years!!!&nbsp; What did I write that gave the impression I didn&#039;t?&nbsp; What I&#039;ve been saying is that it seems to me that, for closure, it is a good idea to have the bar interval as short as possible.&nbsp; It doesn&#039;t hurt to have your closing logic conditions checked against the data as often as possible. Does it???</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (jgp_altus)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2017 21:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jgp_altus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If I understand &quot;Wrong&quot;, why do so many Closing Logic Indicators say=&gt;&nbsp; &quot;Use previous Bar value (automatically set). &quot;&nbsp; What does that statement mean if not what I said.</p></blockquote></div><p>Why shouldn&#039;t they say it? Do you have some real examples where PBV is working the wrong way? Before making any statements, you could study your strategy a bit, it would take less than 5 minutes to do so, you&#039;re experienced FSB user after all.</p><p>If it says &quot;automatically set&quot;, it is automatically set. Controlling PBV is the job of FSB, and you can see it yourself from the indi window whether it is turned on or not. And verify it on chart if it works as intended.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2017 20:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>If I understand &quot;Wrong&quot;, why do so many Closing Logic Indicators say=&gt;&nbsp; &quot;Use previous Bar value (automatically set). &quot;&nbsp; What does that statement mean if not what I said.&nbsp; </p><p>And what I have been saying for months is that FSB Pro EAs, when exported and attached to a MT4 chart, open positions that change the Account &quot;Equity&quot; up and down, but only seem to change the Account Balance - if at all - negatively.&nbsp; </p><p>For the past several years I have not had a single positive [winning] MT4 Demo Account.&nbsp; None! Many, many winning FSB Pro EAs but No winning MT4 accounts.</p><p>Can someone move this exchange to a more appropriate &#039;thread&#039;???</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (jgp_altus)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2017 15:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jgp_altus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>As I understand FSB Pro closing logic conditions, they are tested at end of Period or Bar. until then they are tested against the last completed Bar values. So if your FSB Pro &quot;period&quot; is 240M, your Exit Logic Conditions are tested against values obtained during the previous Bar.&nbsp; Even if you use Stop Limit exit Condition, doesn&#039;t it only move the value tested against [ in your 240M EA/Chart case] at the end of the Chart &#039;Bar&#039;?? Are there FSB Pro exit Indicators that Exit on Tick Data??</p></blockquote></div><p>You understand wrong.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>why don&#039;t my Exported EAs work that way on either of my MT4 Demo Accounts</p></blockquote></div><p>Can you provide something to make your statement clear and substantiated?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2017 09:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Does that mean you attach your EAs to 240M MT4 Charts, which would mean all your Entry &amp; Exit Logic Conditions are 240M or higher, or can you attach your EAs to 15M MT4 Charts wherin your Exit logic conditions can be tested With [for example] Bar Closing every 15M?&nbsp; Are your Closing Logic Conditions tested on MT4 only after 4H???I presumed it would be better to test them as soon as possible, like every 1M. Most of my EAs Entry Logic conditions are 30M or higher, but my Exit Logic Condition are 15M and I would like them to be even lower,&nbsp; 5M or even 1M, but that would mean having to attach My EAs to 5M or 1M MT4 charts.&nbsp; That&#039;s the way my FSB Pro generated EAs&nbsp; work, why don&#039;t my Exported EAs work that way on either of my MT4 Demo Accounts.&nbsp; ???<br />PS.&nbsp; As I understand FSB Pro closing logic conditions, they are tested at end of Period or Bar. until then they are tested against the last completed Bar values. So if your FSB Pro &quot;period&quot; is 240M, your Exit Logic Conditions are tested against values obtained during the previous Bar.&nbsp; Even if you use Stop Limit exit Condition, doesn&#039;t it only move the value tested against [ in your 240M EA/Chart case] at the end of the Chart &#039;Bar&#039;?? Are there FSB Pro exit Indicators that Exit on Tick Data??</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (jgp_altus)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2017 01:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: automated renewal of FSB Pro]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>For me, I use 240 minute for my strategies, I have a whole series of daily that I built over a long time.</p><p>HTF&nbsp; higher time frame</p><p>Hope that helps.</p><p>Lower timer frames are more volatile and logic is being adjusted more frequently.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Blaiserboy)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2017 16:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, but I don&#039;t understand your suggestion. When I attach an EA to a 15M chart, and all my EA logic conditions are for 30M &#039;periods&#039; or higher, don&#039;t those HTF logic conditions operate on the HTF data points you claim are more accurate???&nbsp; I don&#039;t understand.&nbsp; What does HTF &#039;period&#039; mean???&nbsp; Isn&#039;t it better to have&nbsp; bar closing as frequent as possible.&nbsp; Is it better to wait an hour to apply closing conditions than waiting 15M?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (jgp_altus)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2017 14:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>It may be that you are working on time frames that are not great for your strategies.....</p><p>Backtestsed strategies are not guaranteed to work in live markets.</p><p>Best to use higher time frames as they have better data points.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Blaiserboy)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 24 Mar 2017 03:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: automated renewal of FSB Pro]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I use two data sources for generating FSB Pro EAs.&nbsp; I &#039;test&#039; the resultant EA with both data sources.&nbsp; I obtain Oanda Chart data using the Popov ChartbyChart saving method.&nbsp; I have discovered that the FSB Demo data yields a slightly different Net Balance than the Oanda Chart Data.&nbsp; But my intentions are presently to establish a live acct with Oanda as being more reliable than FXCM which has changed in some ways recently that I don&#039;t fully understand. [so I closed out my FXCM live account]<br /> So what I&#039;m doing is generating EAs using Oanda Chart data and exporting those EAs to my Oanda MT4 Demo acct, and checking to make sure that the EA generated using FSB Demo data is virtually the same before using the Oanda EAs on FXCM Demo.&nbsp; My view is that the Oanda demo MT4 is more representative of a real Live MT4&nbsp; and that the FSB Demo data is more representative than the FXCM Chart data.&nbsp; As I said, I&#039;ve been at this for at least 3 years, and have tried lots of things. Have no trouble in concluding that I don&#039;t understand anything that happens after I export the EAs.&nbsp; So that is where I think my inability to have FSB Pro profitable EAs show profits on Oanda/FXCM Demo Accounts lies.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (jgp_altus)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2017 00:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>let me try to answer this,</p><p>you said earlier, that you have 2 demo accounts (FXCM &amp; OANDA)<br />then you said lately that you use on FSB 2 data sources FSB_DEMO source AND&nbsp; OANDA_DATA sources.</p><p>in my little experience, each broker has his own data sources and you will not have identical result if you used different sources</p><p>try this, import to FSB the data from FXCM and make your strategy, then export it to be used only on FXCM DEMO ACCOUNT...you will definitely have the same results as FSB...i had this problem once<br /> you simply need to differentiate between brokers data...they are not the same</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (alamehmazen123)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>thanks for taking time to address my problems.&nbsp; I usually run on&nbsp; both Demo MT4s all 4 [EURUSD, GBPUSD, USDCHF,&amp; USDJPY FSB Pro exported EAs] for several weeks before concluding they&#039;re not profitable.&nbsp; These are all EAs with at least $1/day[.01lot, leverage 10, w/l&gt;.75,MC tested randomized indicator parameters, ppd&gt;$1=75%, etc ]&nbsp; &nbsp;I try to develop FSB EAs on both FSB Demo data and Oanda Chart data, usually with 30-40% OOS.&nbsp; I tend to accept that Bill Williams knew what he was talking about re markets etc. <br />My concern now is not in developing profitable EAs on FSB Pro, but on figuring out why my exported EAs are never profitable on my Demo MT4s. Once I get one EA that does show a profit on a Demo MT4 more often than not then I&#039;ll conclude that all time &amp; effort expended was worth it.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (jgp_altus)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2017 16:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>At first I thought that you export your strats, but you are unable to make them work, meaning they don&#039;t trade. So, to determine whether there are some bugs, I took your strats, put them on demo, put them on strategy tester and they worked as expected. Indicator values between MT and FSB are matching, therefore my conclusion is that your strats work!</p><p>Now I see that you apparently have a problem with overall performance, profitability in other words. At what point do you decide that a strat is a losing one? After a day, after a week, after 2 consecutive losses?</p><p>The first lesson in algo trading is that profitable backtest does not guarantee similar future performance. And one cannot hold the software accountable if a strat turns out to be a loser. The best in this case would be to re-work and re-learn your approach to strat development. Formulate your approach and principles concisely and make a simple test: cut your dataset into 2 (a ratio of 4:1), develop 10 or more strats as per your principles on the first set of data and then put your strats on that last bit of data for validation. How do they fare on that new piece of data? What&#039;s the success rate? Usually it&#039;s a break-even, meaning 50% of strats are profitable. So, if the success rate is 50 and below, your strat developing methodology is no good, the problem is in you! If more than 50% of strats are profitable on that new set of data, your approach is good! Keep up the work and fine tune it.</p><p>Anyhow, that is my advice and one way of looking at things. I&#039;m sure there are many other ways. Hope this helps to nudge your thoughts a bit.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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