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			<title><![CDATA[Re: General Discussion about FSB Pro, Ideas, Opinions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>See attached picture, in it I have the Semafor for M1, M15 and H1, the size increased with timeframe. We should not trade the extreme of the Semafor but use it as a marker for the direction of the big wave, price will normally goes up and then retract, the idea is to use FST Pro to take note of the big direction and then search for the strategy to try enter at the lowest point of the retracement wave.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2014 11:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>mel8331 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Can we have and option that optimized the profit from a ZigZag indicator taking into account for all the cost and slippage and then use the entries and exit as a template for FSB Pro to search for the match for the entry and exit ?</p><p>This can serve as a very good fitness template for the Strategy Builder to try imitate.</p><p>One idea is to use ZigZag( a Semafor like indicator would be better because you can have 4 ZigZag in a timeframe)&nbsp; in the 1H timeframe and use uses subsequent smaller ZigZag/Semafor for subsequent smaller timeframe.</p><p>ZigZag/Semafor will repaint but if we trade in the 1H or 4H timeframe and if the 1M or 5M ZigZag/Semafor repaint/slide it will not cause much to the trade on the bigger timeframe.</p><p>Using FSB Pro to narrow down the entry and exit zone will be great and if we can have other indicators/strategy that nail down the exact entry and exit point in this zone that will be great.</p></blockquote></div><p>Interesting thing - I played around with similar idea last week, define entry/exit and generate most precise follower strategy. There are problems though, but I can&#039;t conclude anything yet. Can you elaborate and explain your thoughts about using the ZZ?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2014 09:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Can we have and option that optimized the profit from a ZigZag indicator taking into account for all the cost and slippage and then use the entries and exit as a template for FSB Pro to search for the match for the entry and exit ?</p><p>This can serve as a very good fitness template for the Strategy Builder to try imitate.</p><p>One idea is to use ZigZag( a Semafor like indicator would be better because you can have 4 ZigZag in a timeframe)&nbsp; in the 1H timeframe and use uses subsequent smaller ZigZag/Semafor for subsequent smaller timeframe.</p><p>ZigZag/Semafor will repaint but if we trade in the 1H or 4H timeframe and if the 1M or 5M ZigZag/Semafor repaint/slide it will not cause much to the trade on the bigger timeframe.</p><p>Using FSB Pro to narrow down the entry and exit zone will be great and if we can have other indicators/strategy that nail down the exact entry and exit point in this zone that will be great.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2014 04:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Popov wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It may actually work <img src="https://forexsb.com/forum/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>Here we have entry on MA LTF</p><p><a href="http://postimg.org/image/n8ybk8pdj/"><span class="postimg"><img src="http://s7.postimg.org/n8ybk8pdj/screenshot_341.jpg" alt="http://s7.postimg.org/n8ybk8pdj/screenshot_341.jpg" /></span></a></p><p><a href="http://postimg.org/image/8r14c8y2f/"><span class="postimg"><img src="http://s7.postimg.org/8r14c8y2f/screenshot_342.jpg" alt="http://s7.postimg.org/8r14c8y2f/screenshot_342.jpg" /></span></a></p></blockquote></div><p>As the quote goes - yeah baby, that&#039;s what I&#039;m talking about! <img src="https://forexsb.com/forum/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p><p>That&#039;s good news, thank you!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2014 20:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>It may actually work <img src="https://forexsb.com/forum/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>Here we have entry on MA LTF</p><p><a href="http://postimg.org/image/n8ybk8pdj/"><span class="postimg"><img src="http://s7.postimg.org/n8ybk8pdj/screenshot_341.jpg" alt="http://s7.postimg.org/n8ybk8pdj/screenshot_341.jpg" /></span></a></p><p><a href="http://postimg.org/image/8r14c8y2f/"><span class="postimg"><img src="http://s7.postimg.org/8r14c8y2f/screenshot_342.jpg" alt="http://s7.postimg.org/8r14c8y2f/screenshot_342.jpg" /></span></a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2014 10:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>We may add a property in indicators AllowLTF;<br />It may be set to true for all indicators and explicitly set to false for the indicators that do not accept LTF like Day Opening, Trailing Stop...</p><p>I&#039;ll test it today...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2014 09:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Bar Opening and Bar Closing are indicators as the others.</p><p>For example MA also has&nbsp; ExecutionTime set in the following way:</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>            if (period == 1 &amp;&amp; shift == 0)
            {
                if (price == BasePrice.Open)
                    IndParam.ExecutionTime = ExecutionTime.AtBarOpening;
                else if (price == BasePrice.Close)
                    IndParam.ExecutionTime = ExecutionTime.AtBarClosing;
            }</code></pre></div><p>Also Day Closing, Day Closing 2, Week Closing, Trailing Stop, Stop Loss, Take Profit, Stop Limit, Entry Hour, Exit Hour...</p><p>The LTF and Symbol functions for Logical Conditions slots are implemented in the core of Backtester and Trader. Indicators are not changed in any way and this make the feature rigid and bug proof.</p><p>...</p><p>I can allow LTF, Signal Shift and Signal Repeat for Opening and Closing slots by deleting a single line of code. (Line No 199)</p><p><a href="http://postimg.org/image/ws80dpcvr/"><span class="postimg"><img src="http://s7.postimg.org/ws80dpcvr/screenshot_339.jpg" alt="http://s7.postimg.org/ws80dpcvr/screenshot_339.jpg" /></span></a></p><p>There is no problem with implementation. The functionality is available for all slots. I simply hide it for Opening and Closing Slots because it may not work as expected.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2014 15:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>So this is not a problem for technical indicators, only Bar Opening and Bar Closing are at fault.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>What do you mean by having multiple entry/exit points?</p></blockquote></div><p>Lets say the original time frame is 1 hour and we set &quot;Bar Opening&quot; with time frame - 4 hours.</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>1H Period        4H Period 
Bar Opening      Entry Level
10:00 - 1.34        1.34
11:00 - 1.38        1.34
12:00 - 1.40        1.34
13:00 - 1.37        1.34
14:00 - 1.35        1.35
15:00 - 1.34        1.35
16:00 - 1.32        1.35
17:00 - 1.28        1.35</code></pre></div><p>We see that the entry level will remain the same for 4 bars.</p><p>The problem: &quot;Bar Opening&quot; entry may differ for the opening price of the original time frame. How we&#039;ll enter on such a price? </p><p>Every indicator has a property <strong>ExecutionTime</strong>.</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>namespace ForexStrategyBuilder.Infrastructure.Enums
{
    /// &lt;summary&gt;
    /// The type of the time execution indicator.
    /// It is used with the indicators, which set opening / closing position price.
    /// &lt;/summary&gt;
    public enum ExecutionTime
    {
        DuringTheBar,   // The opening / closing price can be everywhere in the bar.
        AtBarOpening,   // The opening / closing price is at the beginning of the bar.
        AtBarClosing,   // The opening / closing price is at the end of the bar.
        CloseAndReverse // For the close and reverse logic.
    }
}</code></pre></div><p>This property is set to &quot;ExecutionTime.AtBarOpening&quot; for &quot;Bar Opening&quot; indicator. It says to the backtester that it has to open a position exactly at the opening price. This will fool the backtester for a&nbsp; LTF &quot;Bar Opening&quot;. </p><p>If we remove that parameter from the indicator, most of the bars will become &quot;Ambiguous&quot; because the backters will have to interpolate the bar in searching of the entry price.</p><p>This problem is even bigger for the Closing Slot. </p><p>We know that Closing Logic Conditions have OR logic. So even one satisfied condition has to close the position. If we use LTF Bar Closing, such exit may appear on a price that is out of the bar range... How to deal with such a case?</p><br /><p>...</p><p>I think the simplest solution is Krog or other developer to convert WTF indicators to the new format. He may call them LTF to differ from the old ones.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2014 06:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Popov wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> LTF indicator functionality is not included for Opening and closing slot. The reason is that such function will produce multiple entry and exit points - one for each bar from the original time frame. </p><p>If you think such behavior is acceptable, I can try adding LTF for Opening and Exit slots also.</p></blockquote></div><p>What do you mean by having multiple entry/exit points? Krog&#039;s WTF MA below, M15 on M5, works like a charm.</p><br /><p><a href="http://postimg.org/image/7bp294mfb/"><span class="postimg"><img src="http://s23.postimg.org/7bp294mfb/image.jpg" alt="http://s23.postimg.org/7bp294mfb/image.jpg" /></span></a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2014 00:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Pro needs to set the benchmark in ease of use, simplicity (higher functional capability is self-evident).</p></blockquote></div><p>100% agree with that.<br />The biggest issue I see now is that we have to go to Editor Page in order to edit a trading strategy.<br />I&#039;m considering redesign of the Trader Page:</p><p>Connection panel will go to the left and Strategy panel will go to the middle.<br />I&#039;ll introduce a Quick Edit button in the center of the menu.<br />The Quick Edit function will stop trading and disconnect current connections. It will allow also clicking on the slots and showing options Dialog Panel on the left side (like in Editor).<br />When we finish with the editing, a Reconnect button will allow recovering of the previous trader state.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2014 23:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Where&#039;s LTF function in position opening and closing slots?</p></blockquote></div><p>LTF indicator functionality is not included for Opening and closing slot. The reason is that such function will produce multiple entry and exit points - one for each bar from the original time frame. </p><p>If you think such behavior is acceptable, I can try adding LTF for Opening and Exit slots also.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Indicator window/tab/sheet should close not only with the arrow and ok/cancel buttons, but when click is made outside of its boundaries.</p></blockquote></div><p>It was default behavior in the alfa version when there were no dialog panels. I remove it because the current dialog panels provide different functionality - Accept, Cancel, Close with temp accept&nbsp; (for current Generator page...). What should do a click out side ? It is not intuitive.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2014 23:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Where&#039;s LTF function in position opening and closing slots?</p><p>Indicator window/tab/sheet should close not only with the arrow and ok/cancel buttons, but when click is made outside of its boundaries.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2014 12:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>It would be great if indicator and balance charts would open if clicked on them, currently searching the right line on the left is a bit clumsy in my opinion. And additional statistics should open up in full screen also. </p><p>Thinking about the future - overall design is a challenge. Standard FSB is great, but Pro needs to better it, at the moment FSB is the parent and Pro the sophisticated offspring. This needs to be turned around. Pro needs to set the benchmark in ease of use, simplicity (higher functional capability is self-evident).</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2014 12:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>My guess is&nbsp; that the optimizer is the weak point of the FSB.</p><p>My proposal is to use a genetic optimizer with settable parameters.(population size, max generations, fitness functions, etc) , and most important , a WFA (walk forward analyser) module.<br />FSB generates too many &quot;good strategies&quot; that are very difficult to verify without having a method of measuring their robustness (WFE). I mean the old principles of Robert Pardo.<br />There are many examples of WFO / WFA / CWFA applications, but I think the best is the one implemented by Wouter Oosthuizen in GWFO and then in TradeStation.He is the one who made many years ago CASB (Computer Assisted Strategy Builder) for Easy Language.<br />In my opinion, FSB + good WFA module = best product on the market.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2013 08:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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