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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Cant make a single strategy work????]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>One of the advantages of Strategy builder is that you can select an opening criteria and let the generator do its thing for many hours and then evaluate the result.</p><p>My standard run at this time is 120 minutes using 50,000 bars. When the thing is done I have a look at the overview and make some adjustments and restart.</p><p>The generator is programmed to seek viable combinations and because there is a great selection of indicators it has to be allowed a lot of time to do its work.</p><p>Because the generator uses some sort of randomizer as it selects criteria....... we have to re run the same initial criteria many times to get the mix that will give a good result.</p><p>I feel that by imposing too much on the generator, initially, will impair its function.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Blaiserboy]]></name>
				<uri>https://forexsb.com/forum/user/2491/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-09-11T14:18:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Cant make a single strategy work????]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>i use stop limit for control stop loss and take profit on FSB<br />and try to find Win/loss Ratio statistics.&nbsp; reverse trade order to another account by script or any tools .</p><p>the problem this concept is delay times when script or tools&nbsp; try to copy and reverse to another account .</p><p>it&#039;s possible&nbsp; to reverse&nbsp; feature on FST?&nbsp; <img src="https://forexsb.com/forum/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /> </p><br /><p>test R/R = 1:1<br /><a href="http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=TsLIE4A"><span class="postimg"><img src="http://s2.postimage.org/LIE4A.jpg" alt="http://s2.postimage.org/LIE4A.jpg" /></span></a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[nologo]]></name>
				<uri>https://forexsb.com/forum/user/2181/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-09-02T16:47:10Z</updated>
			<id>https://forexsb.com/forum/post/6278/#p6278</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Cant make a single strategy work????]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hey footon,<br />the principal is simple. you trade on send order from FST to Demo account and then copy them on live but with reverse. <br />you can use something like this one : <a href="http://www.fx-metropolis.com/ac_Introduction.html">http://www.fx-metropolis.com/ac_Introduction.html</a><br />simple explanation you can find here: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USVXAup2FYo">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USVXAup2FYo</a></p><p>The idea is simple if strategy constantly loosing from 50pips and more in one trade and it is stable you can just reverse the signals by copping orders from Demo to live.<br />So when Trade opens on Demo account it is placed on Live account but opposite direction, when it closes on demo (SL/TP or just logic) it is closed on live.<br />I have ran this in past but I prefer straight forward and simple approach :-)</p><p>Hope it helps.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[fxwinner]]></name>
				<uri>https://forexsb.com/forum/user/1906/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-08-26T21:51:21Z</updated>
			<id>https://forexsb.com/forum/post/6185/#p6185</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Cant make a single strategy work????]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I use a little trick to get a bit more realistic results from the backtesting. </p><p>At first I make a spread a bit larget than it actually is e.g. EURGBP spread is 2 pip, but I make is 2,5 or 3 pip. </p><p>The second parameter I use is slippage - I always use slippage up to 1-1,5 pips in my backtesting. </p><p>In this way I try to avoid &quot;too good to be true&quot; backtesting results. Take a single profitable strategy and change slippage and spread and you&#039;ll see quite a different and unexpected results.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[zenoni]]></name>
				<uri>https://forexsb.com/forum/user/1400/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-08-24T06:03:44Z</updated>
			<id>https://forexsb.com/forum/post/6153/#p6153</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Cant make a single strategy work????]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>mikhail86,<br />I have already answered this question, in order to reverse strategy spread must me absolute due to profit target and at least 1:20 (more better). than yes, the strategy may work.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[fxwinner]]></name>
				<uri>https://forexsb.com/forum/user/1906/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-08-23T19:18:35Z</updated>
			<id>https://forexsb.com/forum/post/6150/#p6150</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Cant make a single strategy work????]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>ok guys ive been looking at my &quot;reverse positions&quot; strategy a little closer and have realised it isnt as simple as entering short trades when i get a long signal because the spread distorts the entry price. and so my original excel in that respect is misleading.</p><p>so it looks like in order for the reverse positions strategy to work you need to adjust your open price to account for the spread i.e. if you are given a long entry signal at bid 1.2345 the actual open price with a 2 pip spread will be ask 1.2347, in order for the strategy to work you need to enter a short position at bid 1.2343 i.e. ask 1.2345. now im not sure how i can set up this in fsb so ill be manually backtesting this from this week to see 1. if it is still profitable and 2. whether or not the new entry point is in fact hit. when i have some results i will post them on here.</p><p>i will also try the reverse signals option you guys mentioned earlier.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[mikhail86]]></name>
				<uri>https://forexsb.com/forum/user/2415/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-08-23T13:30:31Z</updated>
			<id>https://forexsb.com/forum/post/6148/#p6148</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Cant make a single strategy work????]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I will definitely be posting some feature requests in the relevant thread, just need to consolidate some lists I have made (I run FSB on various machines and make notes on each machine)<br />Since most of my requests are related to the ease of use of the application (more productive generating and optimization), and not theoretical ideas about strategies), if you think it is worthwhile, I am willing to &quot;copy&quot; the current UI in my own version and change it appropriately and post the screenshots ?</p><p>I would definitely like to be involved, so please send me a PM or email (foolforforex@gmail.com) when the time comes, and what the process would be. I understand the intellectual property aspects, maybe certain stand alone sections can be made available, or the UI without the engine, or perhaps the engine but then only the dll&#039;s which can be obfuscated.</p><p>Lastly, do you think there is a possibility Popov will make the original spreadsheet (that initiated the FSB project) available to interested members ? I have made my own (spent like 200 hours creating and testing already) which I actually use more than FSB for more extensive testing (since it is MUCH more flexible, but FSB very usefull to give optimization param values then used in sheet) but it is becoming extremely slow and since the formula&#039;s for keeping track and calculating the outcomes / floats / equity / balance and drawdowns is so complicated, it is starting to become unmanageable. Therefore it would be very interesting to see what he has done and to what extent. (I can&#039;t get multiple positions to work, not even sure if it is possible with Excel without using macro&#039;s) Everything done so far is pure excel formula&#039;s, but can only handle one position at a time until it closes depending on the closing conditions)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Alem Bert]]></name>
				<uri>https://forexsb.com/forum/user/2305/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-08-23T02:40:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Cant make a single strategy work????]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>you can post your ideas, and if you would like to be involved the task list will be enable in September.<br /> FST is an open source, however due to the fact that FSB possesses an unique optimisation approach, it won&#039;t be open source. </p><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>Alem Bert wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Please let me know your thoughts on the Google Wave and the open source strategy generator / optimizer if you know of one, or to whom I might be able to discuss possible involvement of future development of FSB, if Popov the original programmer ?</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[fxwinner]]></name>
				<uri>https://forexsb.com/forum/user/1906/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-08-23T02:15:33Z</updated>
			<id>https://forexsb.com/forum/post/6138/#p6138</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Cant make a single strategy work????]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>your suggestions are very valuable.<br />I have noted about Google Wave.<br />Yes, Popov is the solo author of FSB&nbsp; alone, and it was his genius idea of FSB itself, it is an unique approach. And this is why I&#039;m here ---&gt;&gt; to enhance it. Don&#039;t be concerned about silence on the forum, it is temporally until he comes back from his business trip and we&#039;ll rock, I agree with all your points here. Please feel free to post your ideas here:&nbsp; <a href="http://forexsb.com/forum/topic/1549/fsb-wish-list-requested-features/">http://forexsb.com/forum/topic/1549/fsb … -features/</a><br />Popov will be very active from beginning of September, we will summarize the wish list and implement what the TOP ideas, so there is high chance yours will the on next release. <br />So please continue be enthusiastic, we will work hard to satisfy your needs as an active trader.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[fxwinner]]></name>
				<uri>https://forexsb.com/forum/user/1906/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-08-23T02:02:40Z</updated>
			<id>https://forexsb.com/forum/post/6136/#p6136</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Cant make a single strategy work????]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yea, 20% is ok and might we worth it even in the long run, but those 100% once off bonuses are really nice, the last one I did was with ForexYard December last year. And yes, scalping gets you the volume in no time if you trade currencies, commodities not really worth it.</p><p>Please let me know your thoughts on the Google Wave and the open source strategy generator / optimizer if you know of one, or to whom I might be able to discuss possible involvement of future development of FSB, if Popov the original programmer ?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Alem Bert]]></name>
				<uri>https://forexsb.com/forum/user/2305/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-08-23T01:52:04Z</updated>
			<id>https://forexsb.com/forum/post/6134/#p6134</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Cant make a single strategy work????]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Alpari does it all the time up to 20% you can get, no need to be a new customer.<br />it is 20% on a new deposit. <br />I know what you mean, I used this tick as well, the best way to do is to scalp. Scalping can generate pretty good volume, which one cannot do with &quot;normal&quot; long term trading.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Alem Bert wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Regarding the nano lots, yes, it is definitely the better option over a demo account.<br />However, I have some standard accounts though, and main reason was to get the sign up bonuses, so I play the minimum lots to test some strategies and manage to stay alive long enough to get the required volume to earn my bonuses in cash. So it is a completely &quot;unconventional strategy&quot; I suppose, but at least I have made more money that way than any &quot;normal strategy&quot; have done for me. Especially towards the end of the year, many brokers offer a 100% first deposit bonus. I realize I can not ride this wave forever, but luckily there are so many of them, and they seems to pop up like mushrooms, so I think I can probably go on like this for at least another year (hopefully I will find something more sustainable by then)</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[fxwinner]]></name>
				<uri>https://forexsb.com/forum/user/1906/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-08-23T01:25:26Z</updated>
			<id>https://forexsb.com/forum/post/6133/#p6133</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Cant make a single strategy work????]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>fxwinner,</p><p>Regarding the nano lots, yes, it is definitely the better option over a demo account. <br />However, I have some standard accounts though, and main reason was to get the sign up bonuses, so I play the minimum lots to test some strategies and manage to stay alive long enough to get the required volume to earn my bonuses in cash. So it is a completely &quot;unconventional strategy&quot; I suppose, but at least I have made more money that way than any &quot;normal strategy&quot; have done for me. Especially towards the end of the year, many brokers offer a 100% first deposit bonus. I realize I can not ride this wave forever, but luckily there are so many of them, and they seems to pop up like mushrooms, so I think I can probably go on like this for at least another year (hopefully I will find something more sustainable by then)</p><p>Closed section would be nice, but in the meanwhile if you really have the need to or think it would be more beneficial for the members who want to contribute by putting in some real hours, then perhaps one can create a Google Wave for it, and &quot;invite&quot; certain members depending on what they can bring to the table. However, I don&#039;t mind sharing all experience on this forum since we all have similar interests and no information regarding successful strategies shared will ever make a difference to what happens in the market. Only the BIG players (like banks and governments) have the &quot;limited&quot; ability to influence the price. FX traders merely &quot;play&quot; against the brokers , and it will take one extremely successful strategy posted on a forum, if thousands of traders implement it exactly to the specifications, many many months if ever, before brokers might change the rules if their profitability becomes endangered. (I know you probably know this, I am just giving my opinion towards the guy that said a good strategy might compromise the whole system)<br />Anyway, but since the interaction in a forum is very limited, a Google Wave might be ideal for working together on a specific project where each member contributes towards a potentially successful strategy. Only reason I prefer the &quot;invitation&quot; process is that too many people on the same project will actually cause it to not be successful, since then you would have to start managing people, instead of focusing on the project and tasks at hand. I have managed projects for many years, don&#039;t need to do another (especially if people are all over the world and most of them don&#039;t even know each other)</p><p>BTW, did Popov write the FSB ? Just wondering, cos I need to know who to speak to regarding features and future development, cos FSB is cool, but it can be improved in so many ways, so I was wondering if there aren&#039;t perhaps an open source version, or a different software package all together, where one has access to the code. I am aware of the &quot;Feature Request&quot; section, it&#039;s just that I have so many, that by the time anyone decide to implement them, I could have probably coded it myself already.</p><p>Anyway, your thoughts... ?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Alem Bert]]></name>
				<uri>https://forexsb.com/forum/user/2305/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-08-23T01:12:10Z</updated>
			<id>https://forexsb.com/forum/post/6132/#p6132</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Cant make a single strategy work????]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Alem Bert,<br />Please do not be offended by my questions, I cannot judge your trading experience only by nine posts, thus, I asked these simple questions. Now I have clearer picture what you are going thru.<br />If you don&#039;t like demo trading or don&#039;t see use of it you can Use IBFX , they have nono lot 1c/pip.<br />Thus testing becomes very easy. as we don&#039;t risk much then if you are happy with trading you just increase risk per strategy.&nbsp; At least this is how I do that. <br />it is not common to share successful strategies on this forum. we probably should create a close section where we can share this experience and work together on end results, however it is not my call, but Popov&#039;s. I can only suggest we do that for FSB and our sack. <br />Let me know your thoughts.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[fxwinner]]></name>
				<uri>https://forexsb.com/forum/user/1906/</uri>
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			<updated>2010-08-23T00:07:59Z</updated>
			<id>https://forexsb.com/forum/post/6129/#p6129</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Cant make a single strategy work????]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>fxwinner,<br />Number of backtests: Difficult to say the exact number, but I have spent at least 100 hours generating strategies, optimizing, back testing with data from various sources (different time frames and various instruments)</p><p>Strategies fall under Footon: All my potentially profitable strategies take all the typical measures of success into account, those that fail even one condition is not even considered for the final back testing phase.</p><p>Tested on Demo account: None, I don&#039;t waste my time with demo accounts, cos they are not similar to live accounts. If a strategy seems reasonably worthwhile based on accurate data used in back testing, then I go live almost the next day, and test for a couple of weeks. If it does not produce a positive equity curve within a month, I scrap the strategy and go back to the drawing board. I have about 4 live accounts at different brokers and run 1 to 3 strategies at each. Overall, the account balances are slightly above or below my original deposit amounts. Forward testing on demo account takes way too long and the temptation to manually interfere is way too much. If back testing over lots of different time horizons and various instruments prove ok, then it&#039;s actually better than forward testing on a demo account.</p><p>On live nano account: Don&#039;t have nano account, all my accounts (mentioned above) are standard accounts with starting balances of $1000. </p><p>No need to help me with &quot;how to evaluate&quot; a profitable strategy. I know how to evaluate a strategy, hence my frustration towards not being able to find one (that meets MY criteria), and so far no one have seemed to be able to produce something reasonable (that works in Live environment for more than a year)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Alem Bert]]></name>
				<uri>https://forexsb.com/forum/user/2305/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2010-08-22T23:43:39Z</updated>
			<id>https://forexsb.com/forum/post/6127/#p6127</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Cant make a single strategy work????]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Alem Bert,<br />If you don&#039;t mind me asking:<br />how many backtests you have run? <br />how many stagiest fall under Footon #11 conditions <a href="http://forexsb.com/forum/topic/1651/sharpe-ratio/">http://forexsb.com/forum/topic/1651/sharpe-ratio/</a><br />How many you tested on Demo account?<br />How many you put on live nano account?</p><p>If you can provide this information we might help you.</p><br /><br /><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>Alem Bert wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I&#039;ve almost given up on the FSB, until I can find some info that hints that I&#039;m not wasting my time for something worthwhile might actually exist.</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[fxwinner]]></name>
				<uri>https://forexsb.com/forum/user/1906/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2010-08-22T18:19:43Z</updated>
			<id>https://forexsb.com/forum/post/6126/#p6126</id>
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